Words Fitly spoken are words spoken at the right time for your encouragement and enrichment.
On this podcast, we will deal with emotional and mental wellness by talking about the conflicts we have in our everyday relationships, whether at home, work, school, and the community.
This podcast is hosted by Coach Sandra D. Johnson of the MADISEL Group.
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What does it really mean to be beautiful? In Episode 60 of the Collective Perspective Podcast, hosts Jeff Aldrich and Travis Eadens invite listeners to look beyond surface-level definitions and explore how beauty—and even ugliness—is often a reflection of our own perceptions, values, and culture. This isn’t just a conversation about aesthetics; it’s about how we see the world, ourselves, and each other.
Here is a summary of the main concepts discussed on this episode:
Jeff and Travis kick things off with a reminder that real strength doesn’t come from viral posts or polished media narratives—it comes from us. Everyday Americans—builders, veterans, parents, and volunteers—make this country resilient. By appreciating the diversity in our communities and recognizing the beauty in our differences, we can build stronger, more connected lives.
We’ve all heard the phrase “beauty is in the eye of the beholder,” but what about ugliness? The hosts flip the script, exploring how perception shapes what we find unattractive or undesirable. They challenge listeners to ask themselves—are our judgments rooted in truth, or are they just reflections of what society tells us to value?
The episode takes a fascinating turn as Jeff and Travis discuss the Japanese philosophy of Wabi-Sabi—the art of finding beauty in imperfection. It’s a reminder that cracks, flaws, and the natural wear of time don’t diminish something’s worth—they reveal its story. From broken pottery to our own personal scars, imperfection can be where the real beauty lives.
Culture and media have long dictated what we should find attractive—from magazine covers to Instagram filters. Jeff and Travis question who’s really behind these standards and how they’ve evolved (or devolved) in the digital age. They draw connections between art, fashion, and media, exploring how perception can change dramatically depending on who’s behind the canvas.
Perhaps one of the most powerful moments in the episode comes when the hosts address how the idea of ugliness can be used to divide. Whether it’s about appearance, beliefs, or creativity, labeling something—or someone—as “ugly” often says more about the viewer than the viewed. The takeaway? Compassion and understanding are far more powerful than judgment.
Even music gets its turn under the microscope. What some call “noise,” others find healing in. Jeff and Travis reflect on how songs that speak to one person’s soul might fall flat for another—and that’s the beauty of it. Music, like life, is meant to be experienced differently by everyone.
The hosts get personal about how perception affects self-image. True wellness, they argue, isn’t just about looking good—it’s about feeling good and learning to see your own beauty without comparison. It’s a conversation that many listeners will find refreshingly honest and encouraging.
In today’s tech-driven world, we’re bombarded by curated images of perfection. Jeff and Travis suggest a radical act—unplug. Take a walk, look at the trees, breathe the air. Rediscover beauty that doesn’t depend on likes or algorithms.
The Eye of the Beholder isn’t just a conversation—it’s an invitation. Jeff and Travis remind us that beauty and ugliness are both mirrors, reflecting how we see ourselves and others. If we can shift our perspective, we can transform the way we live, connect, and create.
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Share your thoughts in the comments—what do you find beautiful or “ugly” in today’s world? And how can shifting your perspective change the way you see it?
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In this episode of the Collective Perspective podcast, Jeff and Travis discuss the concept of beauty and ugliness, emphasizing that both are subjective and heavily influenced by personal perception. The conversation includes insights on how societal and cultural standards can impact our views, using examples from personal experiences, art, and music. They also explore the Japanese concept of 'Wabi-Sabi,' which finds beauty in imperfection and the natural cycle of growth and decay.
Jeff and Travis highlight the importance of recognizing internal beauty and caution against using terms like 'ugly' as divisive weapons. They conclude by encouraging listeners to reflect on their perceptions and to seek beauty in unexpected places.
00:00 Introduction: What Makes America Stronger
00:26 Welcome Back: Hosts Reunite
00:36 Main Topic: Hideous is the Eye of the Beholder
01:36 Personal Anecdote: The Hyundai Kona Story
02:11 Exploring Beauty and Ugliness
05:40 Cultural Standards of Beauty
07:33 Art and Perception
08:26 The Weaponization of 'Ugly'
14:06 Music: Beauty and Ugliness
16:58 Self-Reflection and Body Image
21:32 Unplugging and Finding True Beauty
23:26 Conclusion: Share Your Thoughts
Introducing the Host

Sandra D. Johnson is a Counselor, Life Coach, Author, Resource Developer, and Podcaster who focuses on the non-clinical counseling and emotional health areas of our overall mental wellbeing. Sandra founded Madisel Group in 2017 which stands for Making A Difference In Someone Else’s Life.
Madisel Group provides Family ReDirect services to youth and families of Duval County Teen Court, individuals, and other family units. Sandra provides encouragement and motivational talks to young people, parents, and corporate groups in our surrounding neighborhoods community.
Sandra is a Certified Mental Health Coach, Certified Trauma Professional, and Youth Mental Health First Aid provider. She was featured in Shout Out Altanta and is also a member of the VitalityXchange Collective.
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